[Sluggo] When people say "Linux doesn't have enough applications", that
usually translates to, "Linux doesn't have certain specific applications,
namely MS Office, Photoshop, Yahoo Messenger with webcam, etc."
[Heather] StarOffice, (ok photshop is a fair dig, we have lots of things
like it, but none are trying hard to be it), yahoo with webcam == ayttm
but most people don't know that.
In a particularly ahem lively discussion at the starport last week, it was
agreed that the problem is that menu interface standardization isn't. Not
even by Mr.Tanenbaum's broad definitions.
For example RH has been using Gnome for awhile, but has changed the menu
layout in every major revision and some of the minor ones.
K and Gnome fans alike can't decide whether to keep their menus top or
bottom. If they were hidden you'd have a flip a coin chance of even
knowing where to look.
To most newbs "click the root menu" may as well be hidden entirely,
because they won't really think that's useful if they have mswin
experience (it pulls up display settings) and if they don't have even that
they're just plain lost.
[Sluggo] Interestingly, I was going to mention Outlook and Outlook
Express, but I haven't heard much about them recently. Has their
popularity diminished?
[Heather] Yes, and thunderbird's and eudora's have increased.
My friend Colleen is looking to start an article series on people starting
from zero* into Linux. I will of course be encouraging her :) and helping
her out, too.
* yeah, absolute zero, Kelvin. The kind of people who think "my god, at
least something says where to start" when they look at Windows(tm), then
are stalled because they're afraid of the rest of the menu.
Much as I didn't find linspire groovy, not to my beat, daddy-O, it serves
an important duty for some.
Outlook Express comes as default with Windows, and it's not a particularly
good email client. Thunderbird is taking that market.
Outlook is another kettle of fish: it isn't about using Outlook, it's about
accessing an Exchange server. The big news back when Novell bought Ximian
was that they open sourced Ximian Connector, so Evolution could access
Exchange servers. I had a look through the code, and... it's a hack,
basically.
Outlook and Exchange communicate with an extremely complicated protocol.
Ximian Connector just connects to the Exchange web interface, if it's
available, and basically acts as a screen scraper (not exactly: it works
using a modified version of WebDAV, but it also screen scrapes to get
enough data to be useful).
People who run versions of Exchange that don't have a web interface still
have to stick to Windows. People who don't have to pull to get the web
interface set up are also out of luck.
On the server end, it's not too bad. There are several open source Exchange
alternatives that have equivalent features. The Outlook Connector Project
([32]http://openconnector.org) aims to provide an open source set of MAPI
DLLs to be used by open source projects (such as Kolab
([33]http://kolab.org) or Open-Xchange ([34]http://www.openexchange.com)),
so Outlook can connect to them. Once the server end has been migrated away
from Exchange, it's possible to bring in Linux at the client end with
little disruption.
There's also work being done towards implementing the actual protocols used
between Exchange and Outlook. Luke Leighton, formerly a Samba developer, has
reverse engineered most (if not all) of the protocol
([35]http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-devel/2005/01/1054.html),andhas
started work on both client and server software
([36]http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/oser/exchange5.5).
The OpenChange ([37]http://openchange.org) project is also working (slowly)
towards an Exchange replacement. They seem to be focusing more on reverse
engineering the database format used by Exchange, so there isn't too much
overlap (so far).
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Jabberd Installation Guide Comments
Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:41:27 -0700
Adam Pilorz ([38]adam from pilorz.net)
Answered By Suramya Tomar
[Suramya] Tag,
Got the following feedback on my Jabber install guide. It has some good
advice for improvements so...
I've just installed Jabberd 2 server following your Guide
([39]http://linuxgazette.net/112/tomar.html), and I want to share some
experiences which could improve this guide.
[Suramya] Thanks for taking the time to email me with your feedback. Would
you mind if I share this with the Linux Gazette so that they can publish
it in their next issue. That will help other people who are trying to
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