Network Working Group                                          R. Braden
Request for Comments: 430                                       CCN/UCLA
NIC: 13299                                               7 February 1973


                   COMMENTS ON FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL

   On January 23, 1973, Jon Postel (NMC), Eric Harslem (RAND), Stephen
   Wolfe (CCN), and Robert Braden (CCN), held and informal meeting at
   UCLA on FTP.  This RFC generally reports the consensus of that
   meeting on the following issues: server-server transfers (ref.  RFC
   438 by Thomas and Clements); site-dependent information; and
   miscellaneous questions/disagreements with RFC 354, 385, and 414.
   There was also a discussion of the print file muddle, but that
   subject is addressed in a separate RFC, No. 448.

Miscellaneous Comments on FTP

   1. RFC 385, P. 1 (3)

      The question of print files will be discussed at length in another
      RFC.  However, we did feel that the word "still" on the second
      line from the bottom of Page 1 is gratuitous.

   2. RFC 385, P. 2 (5.)
      RFC 385, P. 3 (8.)
      RFC 414, P. 4 (11.i)

      To the extent that we understand these items, they seem to be
      unnecessary and probably undesirable concessions to particular bad
      implementations ("hacks").  In reference to the second item, No. 8
      in RFC 385, one should note that in an asynchronous multi-process
      system like the ARPA Network, the phrase "immediately after" has
      little meaning.  An implementation which depends upon "immediately
      after" is erroneous and should be fixed.  If the protocol as
      defined has an intrinsic race condition, of course, the protocol
      should be fixed, but we don't believe such a problem exists.  It
      would help if definitions of command-response sequences in the FTP
      document were tightened up considerably.  As for the last item, we
      don't understand why Wayne Hathaway is so strongly opposed to
      "implied eor".

   3. RFC 354, P. 13, Format Definitions for Block Mode

      (a) The definition of the header length presumably is meant to be
          the "smallest integral number of bytes whose length is greater
          or equal to 24 bits".





 
RFC 430            COMMENTS ON FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL      FEBRUARY 1973


      (b) The same definitional problem occurs for restart markers.

      (c) Why does the restart marker have to be greater than 8 bits?

      (d) Note that changing the Descriptor coding to bit flags would
          abolish the implied eor as well as the problem of RFC 385, P.
          2, #6.

   4. RFC 414, P. 5 (11.iii)

          Note that text mode is not possible for any EBCDIC coded file.
          Since EBCDIC is an 8-bit code, Telnet control characters
          (128-255) cannot be used to distinguish either eor or eof.
          Stream and block modes will work, however.  We have found the
          diagram on the last page to be useful for keeping track of the
          three-dimensional space of FTP parameters.

   5. RFC 354, P. 17, PASS Command

          There is no mechanism within FTP for changing a password.  A
          user shouldn't have to use a different protocol (e.g., log
          into a time sharing system) to merely change his password.

   6. RFC 385, P. 3 (9.), TYPE Before BYTE

      This admonition (to send TYPE before BYTE) should be clearly
      labeled as a recommended procedure for user FTP, not a restriction
      on a server FTP.

   7. RFC 385, P. 2-3 (7) Order of 255 Reply

      Some of the participants felt (strongly) that the timing problem
      dealt with in this item is the result of bad NCP implementations
      and ought not be dignified in the protocol.  The issue here is the
      old, familiar, and touchy one of queueing RFC's or not. (My own
      view is that the protocol asymmetry forced by NCP's which can't
      queue RFC's is at least unaesthetic, and makes some elegant
      solutions impossible.  For examples, see RFC 414 and the comments